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Contents

end of chapter linking

I made a basic link box for linking between chapters on my Job One page - what do people think about using something like it as a standard?

Previous Book Previous Chapter This Book Next Chapter Next Book
Book of Whatever This Four Book of This This Six Book of The Next Thing

--Joaquin67 14:16, 30 July 2007 (EDT)

Great idea. Beats the hell out of my crappy internal links. I'm going to start replacing my links with this but I don't know how we are supposed to give you credit for this. I will steal some ideas... I mean get some inspiration from Wikipedia.

Also, I can assume the majority of these guidelines were meant for me. I will work on it :P --Jesus 20:45, 30 July 2007 (EDT)

Above bottom bar

Hrm. not too sure about "Previous Book" or "Next Book". I do like the previous chapter, this book/next chapter though. Perhaps at the bottom of that we can have "Book List" or something. not sure. -- Unattributed

I created something like that but I need you to make me a Template:Old Testament page before I can continue work--Jesus 11:17, 31 July 2007 (EDT)

Changing Names

Ack, I changed pretty much all the names in Matthew 1. Lots of names. Ack.Ifreann 18:56, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

LOLCat pidgin ONLY? no l33t sp33k right?

I don't like the use of l33t words like 'n00b' etc. I think this should be a kitty pidgin bible only. Bboyneko 13:12, 12 October 2007 (EDT)

I think some 1337sp33k words like "n00b" have become so common they're almost impossible to avoid, & since they show up a lot on lolcats, it really won't hurt to have a few of them here & there.
A lot of what I've read so far really doesn't read like lolspeak at all anyway. It sounds like a crew of gangstaz wrote it. The real problem IMO is that some people are writing things like "pimp" & "ho" & "nigga" & "bitch," which are offensive to many people (me for one, sorry) & aren't necessary.
When the regular Bible refers to "whoremongers" etc. it's specifically talking about "wikkid evil ppl whos been raedin wikkidpedia & sez 'i can has a money 4 PENIS GOES WHERE???!!!! & how kewl is taht?' & Ceiling Cat sez DO NOT WANT!!!!!!!! & dey r can goes 2 Hel & gets burnd up 4evr & not brb if htey duznt stopz it." Better to leave "pimps & hos" as a very specific (& rare) usage.
"Nigga" & "bitch" are right out. DO NOT WANT!!!!!!!!!1111111111!!!!!!!!!!! Same goes for any racist/ethnic/religious/sexist stuff.

The Cute Overload crowd will be reading this too, & they'll be looking for "teh cute" & not the gangstaz, so we really need to keep it on the clean side. Besides, it turns out a lot funnier 'cuz it forces you to be more creative.

Irreverence is one thing (& I'm all for it, it's good for the soul ---grin---). Flat-out offensiveness is another, especially if you're joking about religion.

Hmmmmmmmmm........... maybe I should go back and edit out all the wtfs & stfus I put in. It's only fair........

jus 2 moneys wrth form a oldfart momcat who iz haz trubl ritin regler rite nao cuz i wuz in ur genises ritin liek 12 chaptrz in teh last 4 daze. kthxbai. -- Wotthe7734 00:16, 13 October 2007 (EDT)

Gonna do some top down decisions here:
  • n00b is okay. l33t isn't.
  • bitchs/niggaz not okay
  • wtf/stfu are common in lolcats, should stay.
  • keeping it somewhat clean does help with funnier translating. It forces you to think of writing things in non conventional ways. However, I wouldn't go overboard on being all the way clean. The Bible isn't very clean, objectively speaking.
  • please remember to sign your blocks. No clue who wrote any of this. And use colons to indent.

--Zotnix 00:47, 13 October 2007 (EDT)

Oh hai Zotnix teh bosscat - Thanks much, the offensive-language thing really got to me (duh!). Otherwise I'm no prude, I like a good bad joke as much as the next cat - especially if it involves bad puns. But everything in proportion, we're not here to give anyone a heart attack on purpose. Your local ER is too busy already ---grin--- & besides, there's already plenty of hair-raising stuff in the real Bible to cause a heart attack. (I should know - I'm a Preacher's Kid.) I'll be very curious to see how people deal with it........ might even give some of it a shot myself.
O BTW, I did sign my previous squib. (but i iz wiki n00b. sry.) Maybe I should make the 4 ~'s a new paragraph so it will stand out? Yay, that works!
p.s. This site has had this oldfart momcat ROFLingMAO so hard in the last week, I think I've gone through about 1/2 box of Kleenex wiping my eyes. thx cul8r bai --Wotthe7734 01:48, 13 October 2007 (EDT)
Plus you can use colons to indent posts, which makes it easier to see who's responding to who.
I'm not sure the references to prostitutes are all that rare, but maybe that's because I recently did both Genesis 38 and Revelation 17.
I'm glad to see a ruling about offensive language, though. There's certainly a ton of overlap between LOLcats and gamerspeak (after all, the first big LOLcats boom was takeoffs of "Im in ur base killin ur d00dz") but LOLcats generally have a gentler kind of humor. Part of that is just having a picture of a cat, and with the current shortage of pics on the site, it's even more important to get the text right. Cattus petasatus 08:40, 13 October 2007 (EDT)

How do you automatically sign your Edits?

Apparently, Reimero and Superiority (above) know how to do it! Tell us all!! -kthxbai

Just put four tildes at the end of your post. This is a tilde:~ Cattus petasatus 06:38, 11 October 2007 (EDT)
This is now stated at the top of every Talk page. -- anshkakashi 19:36, 13 October 2007 (EDT)


God's name

Why did it change? Invisible man was way more descriptive.

Cus ceiling cat is funnier Bboyneko 13:12, 12 October 2007 (EDT)

I'm beginning to lean more towards Invisible Man. Sort of like cats have a "master" human, lolcats have a "godlike" human. The man who provides the canned food. The one they look up to for pets. I'll try and set up a vote for that. --Zotnix 14:03, 12 October 2007 (EDT)
Admittedly, it's easier to photoshop Ceiling Cat than it is an Invisible Man. Cattus petasatus 15:34, 12 October 2007 (EDT)

This is also discussed in the talk section of Genesis 1. Invisible Man is simply funnier and is more accessible to those who don't visit ICHCB every day. I think a lot of people have forgot that the original concept of LOLCat pidgin was the idea that cats can talk but have a very limited understand of human concepts/language. "Invisible Man" would be a logical way for cats to describe the concept of God, while "Ceiling Cat" is more like the cats have created their own mythology. Timhettler 01:28, 13 October 2007 (EDT)

By me it's Ceiling Cat all the way. It fits better with the average cat's opinion of him/herself as boss. You know what they say: "Dogs have owners; cats have staff." Cats, especially kittens, don't speak peoplespeak very well, that's true - but the average cat's POV is YOU WILL OBEY ME, HUUUUMAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!! Cats do seem to have their own mythology - and it's "We r God, & all ur human r belong 2 us!"

If Ceiling Cat created humans and gave us can openers, it's because what cats really want is room service. Otherwise they'd all be "in ur backyard scarfin down ur sqwerlz & ur scarin em all off so go wai."

I don't think kittens think you're God either. For all babies - human or otherwise - it's all about them. They're born knowing how to manipulate you into thinking you're God by being all "teh cute & stuff," and all warm-blooded animals, including humans, are hardwired to let them do it.

Besides, "Invisible Man" sounds too much like a "regular God." That's how most Western humans usually think of "God," and IMO "Ceiling Cat" takes the whole biz out of the box and turns it inside out. Cats are about as inscrutable as deities, more so than any other critter in the known universe, so they make a terrific metaphor. I can't imagine a lolpuppy bible. It just wouldn't be the same. I just can't see a dog god because dogs have such an "eager to please" streak, but cats........... well.............. Anyone who thinks a human could ever own a cat needs to have their meds changed. ---grin---

As for the "original concept," everything evolves, nothing more so than metaphors and languages. The concept has taken on a life of its own. IMO the thing that makes "lolcats" so hilarious is precisely that it's grown far beyond the funny-because-it's-cute stage. It's not really about animals any more (if indeed it ever was) - it's about people. We're no longer simply laughing at those silly kittens - we're using animal metaphors to poke fun at our own pretentious selves and our delusions of superiority.

This project will certainly speed up the evolution of lolspeak itself and possibly take it in another direction entirely. In fact, the very existence of a lolcat bible project is an indication of exactly that already happening.

Any language is a living thing. It responds to its environment and gradually settles into its own consistency. Trying too hard to overcontrol and overstandardize lolspeak at this stage of the game is more likely to suffocate it than to help it. (There's a very good reason English rules the world: it's flexible enough to absorb new words for new ideas and to handle multiple spellings. It's a hodgepodge, but it's an excellent hodgepodge. All ur word are belong 2 us.......)

Then too, any self-respecting cat is far above bothering with anything so trivial as learning to speak or write an inferior creature's language well. (dixionery? we dosent needz no steenkin dixionery, mon! stfu & go getz me sum milkz rite nao or i wil b in ur livin room pwnzin ur sofaz!)

'Nuff pseudo-intellectual garbage for now. It won't be long before we start seeing Ph.D. dissertations in linguistics and/or sociology about lolstuff. (In fact, if I had any money, I'd be willing to bet someone is working on one now.) In the mean time, let's just go wild and have fun with it.

One more thing & then I'll STFU. I promise. I think the premise of Ceiling Cat and the Lolcat Bibel could be covered very well in a brief intro page. I don't know about anyone else, but for me, it boils down to a single question:

"What if God was a cat?"

We now return you to your regularly scheduled reality already in progress. Iz catnipz tiem nao newai.

jus 2 moneys wrth frm a oldfart momcat whos werkd 4 lotz ov bosscats in my lief & i duznt lookz at ICHCB vry ofn but i duznt has truble wif it cuz i can haz raedz cute overload 4 long tiem & i can seez lotz ov lolstufz els wher 2. ill stfu now. cul8r bai. --Wotthe7734 02:07, 13 October 2007 (EDT)

Chapter Headings

I like it when the bible has bold headings to divide up long passages so you know a summary of whats there, like ADAM AND EVE ARE CREATED or GOD FLOODS THE EARTH stuff like that. Bboyneko 14:07, 12 October 2007 (EDT)

Anyone know how to do this without breaking the list numbering? Cattus petasatus 15:33, 12 October 2007 (EDT)
Working on a new chapter verse template to solve this problem, coming soon... anshkakashi 19:45, 13 October 2007 (EDT)
I haz teh gift of profesi LOL! Cattus petasatus 21:49, 13 October 2007 (EDT)

Bold numbered list

If an admin could edit the CSS files or whatever so that numbered lists were always bold, it would probably make some stuff a bit easier. --Superiority 00:35, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

Looks like this has been done. May Ceiling Cat give you cheezburgr! Cattus petasatus 11:03, 12 October 2007 (EDT)
How do we link to specific verses? Like Id love to post links on websites to a specific lolcat bible chapter and verse. Right now ALl i see is linking to chapter? Bboyneko 15:34, 12 October 2007 (EDT)

Numbered lists are a problem with the bible, cus what if someone wants to only translate verse 1-5, then verse 23, then verse 24 etc.? A numbered list would show these translated verses as 1-7 instead of what they actually are. Also numbered lists seem to break if we divide up chapters with headings as mentioned before by cattus. Is there a solution? Should we revert to manually numbering the verses? Bboyneko 16:54, 12 October 2007 (EDT)

In that case simply manually number the oddball verses being translating. Keep the first five with the #'s, and then just add the other numbers manually with a space. --Zotnix 19:50, 12 October 2007 (EDT)
I'm working on a better solution, but I have to wait until some stuff is implemented in the wiki. Coming soon! Promise! anshkakashi 18:53, 13 October 2007 (EDT)
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